From clubdirector at white-wolf.com Wed Sep 14 10:32:52 2005 From: clubdirector at white-wolf.com (Club Director) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:56:05 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] Awaken! Message-ID: <20050914153252.1C393167834@cammail.white-wolf.com> By now, most of you have snatched up your copies of Mage: The Awakening and are greedily reading it over. This is good, it's a beautiful book that has some amazing possibilities. Of course, the excitement of a new Chronicle has generated a touch of confusion as rumors mix with facts and deadlines shift due to technological malfunctions! Currently, we have an all-call out for the AAMST Awakening. The Awakening Chronicle kicks off December 1, 2005. By that date, all necessary IC lists and IRC channels will be sanctioned. Before that, we will have opportunities in November for players to develop their characters and gain a pre-chronicle bonus, much like we did with Forsaken and Requiem. Players can expect OOC lists and creation rules by November 1, 2005. -- Charles Rose From clubdirector at white-wolf.com Mon Sep 19 10:17:52 2005 From: clubdirector at white-wolf.com (Club Director) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:56:05 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] ICC Announcement Message-ID: <20050919151931.UVWR22439.ibm60aec.bellsouth.net@camarilla> International Camarilla Conclave 2005 Phoenix, Arizona October 27-30, 2005 This is your 1+ Month (35 day) Warning! IMPORTANT NOTE: NOW is the time to buy plane tickets if you are flying and reserve your hotel room! From experience of previous years most of the rooms disappear fast from this point on. Don't be left out in the cold! ICC this year is being held within a beautiful area just south east of Phoenix, Arizona. With the new chronicles just getting underway and with the conclusion of Mage this coming ICC is proving to be quite the anticipated event. The accumulation of intrigue, plots, schemes and stories, throughout this new beginning, comes down to this. Bring with you your own stories and leave with so much more to tell. Don't miss out, pre-register today! Website: http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/icc/ The Table of Contents of this Post: * Hotel Information * White Wolf Webstore Early Registration is OPEN! * Artwork Submissions * Table Top Venue * OOC Daytime Programming * Charity Announcements * IC Registration Volunteers * Volunteers Needed ********************************************************* Hotel Info: San Marcos Golf Resort & Convention Center One San Marcos Place, Chandler, AZ 85225 Ph: 480-812-0900, Fx: 480-899-5441 Group Block is under: The Camarilla Room Rates: $89.00 (1-4 people) tax is 11.67% Junior Suite: $139.00 Reserve by 9/24/2005- in order to get the discounted rate Resort Fee included in room rate. Free Parking is Included NOTE: If you are flying don't forget to book your flights! ********************************************************* Pre-Registration: The White Wolf Webstore is open for early registration for ICC 2005! Don't miss out on the Cheap early prices! Pre-Registration Amounts and Durations: $30.00 - Until Sept 1st, 2005 (DONE) $40.00 - From Sept 2nd - Oct 15th, 2005 <----- Available Not accepting Pre-Reg from Oct 16th through the dates of the Event. Walk In Registration Amount: $50.00 White Wolf Webstore Link: http://secure1.white-wolf.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=61&products_id= 485 ********************************************************* Artwork Submissions: ICC is looking for artists to provide images for the interior of the ICC program. In an earlier ICC News bulletin we asked if you were interested in sending us a submission to get your artwork together or start practicing. Well now is your chance. Please be prepared to submit your art in electronic format. If you have any questions on Art submissions please email me at: khr7057 @ yahoo.com ********************************************************* * Table Top Venue Hi, my name is Dave Martin and I am the Alpha of The Wrecking Crew a White Wolf Demo Team. I am also the Chapter Coordinator for the Camarilla in Phoenix for Table Top games AKA Phoenix: The Dark Empire. There will be an official tt game starting up on the 4 the week of September (Saturday) and will continue every 4th weekend. Each month the game will be held at a different game store. This game is going to be incredible as well as being an officially sanctioned tt game. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me. Also we will be running several TT games at ICC in October. Ok to those who would like to participate in the Official Camarilla Werewolf Table Top game Under a Well Blooded Sky send me a copy of your Character idea, your Cam number [temp memberships are available on the cam sight http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/ ], & your contact info. The Venue Style Sheet [this give insight into the story] is in production and will be out soon. This game is being organized by packs and such with additional storytellers. So we can handle a large crowd. The story centers around the players working on a secret and far reaching plan to restore the balance lost balance with the Spirits and to get a the bottom of what is slowly driving Phoenix to the brink of disaster. All of this and more set during the political upheaval of the Council of Lords. The story is set in Phoenix. The first installment was at HexaCon 05 and was something else! Character creation goes as follows: * If you are a Cam member then you get 55 exp points to make your werewolf * 80% of the characters are to be werewolf - if you must be some thing else contact me and we will see * No resources above 3 * I am looking for well thought out characters - if you have a 5 in something then you are world lass and I would like to know what makes you so good. Tell your story. * No one is to have any real ties to Phoenix - each of you are fallowing some one else's admonitions/guidance it could be a spirit, an elder, or a bad hurricane accident.Justin J Ok so who is in? Looking forward to hearing from you soon, Contact Email: thewreckingcrew @ gmail.com Note: For more information on the Table Top Venue and on all games being run please visit the ICC website. R David Martin CC of Phoenix: The Dark Empire AZ-014-I Alpha of The Wrecking Crew A White Wolf Demo Team US2005043342 thewreckingcrew@gmail.com ********************************************************* * OOC Daytime Programming Each day at ICC is packed with games- but the Cam is as much about having fun with friends out of character as it is about roleplaying. This year, we're expanding our OOC Programming events based on our success last year. Cam Court will be back this year and Region Feud has expanded to Cam Feud. And if you feel like learning something between everything else, Seminars ranging from Storytelling to the very popular Leadership Seminar are available at almost anytime of the day. Have questions for the Cam Council or White Wolf? Bring them to the Question and Answer panels. More information on these and other Events is available on the website or over Cam Announce. There's also chances for you to volunteer, so keep your eyes open for your chance to be involved! If you have questions, please email me at zjazja @ gmail.com. -- Jenn Hutt US2002023825 OOC Programming Lead - ICC 2k5 ********************************************************* * Charities Announcement Ric Connely has joined the ICC Team as Charity Lead for 2005. Ric will be organizing the usual events for ICC Charity (along with a few new surprises), this year to benefit the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation and Children Of The Night organizations. In order to meet our high goals this year we need your help. Please donate to our Charities Team and then please attend our Charities Auction at ICC. There promises to be some quite fetching items this year. Also we will be having a Red Cross Blood Drive at the event so if you can donate blood and/or do so regularly, please schedule a donation at our event instead. Please visit the following websites and fill out the information as needed to take part in an historical ICC 2005 in Phoenix, AZ. Charity Form: http://www.thedarkaria.com/charityform.htm If you have any questions on this form or for the department please contact: Charities Coordinator: Ric Connely Email contact: ric @ ricbyrne.com ********************************************************* * IC Registration Volunteers ICC 2K5 quickly approaches and we need volunteers to do IC check-in. Shifts will be 2 hours in length and begin Thurs afternoon and run through Sat evening. All shifts are currently available. Ideal volunteers have ST experience and a firm knowledge of approval levels. Please email James Fredrickson, IC Check-in Lead at jcfred65 @ verizon.net with any questions. Volunteer Form: http://www.thedarkaria.com/volunteerform.htm James Fredrickson US2002022671 ICC 2K5 IC Check-in Lead ********************************************************* * General Volunteers Matt Giezentaner has joined the ICC staff team as the Lead Volunteer Coordinator this year. We are getting off to a slightly late start this year but we really need YOUR help to make this event one to really remember in a good way! Please Volunteer for our event. There are many openings that need to be filled. This convention is more than just its Staff Leads its really made a success through all the hard work of ALL of our volunteers. But we can only really make this happen if you give your honest time and effort to the event. Please visit the following website and fill out the information as needed to take part in an historical ICC 2005 in Phoenix, AZ. Volunteer Form: http://www.thedarkaria.com/volunteerform.htm If you have any questions on this form or for the department please see the below contact information. Volunteer Coordinator: Matt Giezentaner Email contact: mattgie @ gmail.com **** End I and my staff very much appreciate your time and your efforts and I'm sure everyone who attends ICC 2005 will also appreciate your hard work. Cheers, Ken Reinertson ICC Coordinator US2002022204 From clubdirector at white-wolf.com Tue Sep 20 13:17:25 2005 From: clubdirector at white-wolf.com (Club Director) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:56:06 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] ICC and ST Volunteers Message-ID: <20050920181725.67152190F7E@cammail.white-wolf.com> Ladies and Gentlemen, Many of you have written in wondering how to volunteer for Storytelling & Narration at ICC. Expanding on some experiments we tried last year, this year we're going to try and bridge the gap between Venues and volunteers. In years past, we would group all ST volunteers into one team regardless of venue preference of experience. This proved counterproductive and confusing as we tried to coordinate preferences and abilities with need. This year, you will volunteer directly to the venue lead of the venue you wish to aid. Identify if you are interested in White Team (Narrator) or Red Team (Storyteller/NPC). Depending on the venue, White Team may be allowed to also play their PC's (see the venue lead for more information) as well as provide simple narration assistance. REQUIEM: Thursday 8pm-2am, Friday 9pm-2am, Saturday 8pm-2am Contact - Silja Sample [siljam@gmail.com] FORSAKEN: Friday 1pm-6:30pm Contact - Chuck Childers [chuck.childers@comcast.net] MORTALS: Thursday 8pm-2am Contact - Wendy Misuinas [media@cypher.every1.net] CHANGELING: Friday 10am-1pm, Saturday 10am-1pm Contact - Jennifer Childs-Biddle [aamst.dreaming@gmail.com] MAGE: Saturday 1pm-7pm Contact: Jessi Hixon [mierandra@gmail.com] Don't email and JUST say "I want to volunteer". Include your strengths and preferences. Are you a rules hound? Do you do well running combat? Do you avoid combat and prefer helping run "mystery" plots? Do you have a set of the books you can bring for your use doing your shift? Are you comfortable with "simple" challenges? Sell yourself so we know where best to place you! Feel free to volunteer for more than one venue! Thanks, Charles M. Rose US2002021149 AMST Settings From clubdirector at white-wolf.com Wed Sep 21 08:35:28 2005 From: clubdirector at white-wolf.com (Club Director) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:56:06 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] Reminder - National Coordinator Applications All Call ends September26th Message-ID: <20050921133528.1D4281922DC@cammail.white-wolf.com> Applications will be accepted from members wishing to be considered for the National Coordinator position between September 1st and 26th, 2005. All current United States members in good standing are eligible, however applicants are encouraged to have current or previous coordinator experience on the Regional or above level. Members wishing to submit an application for consideration should include the following information in an email to clubdirector@white-wolf.com: Name, Camarilla membership number, contact methods including address, e-mail, telephone, and whatever other means the applicant desires. Statement of purpose: What does the applicant want to accomplish while in office and how do they plan to execute that plan? Vision Statement: What would the applicant wish to do if he or she were in the office, both in terms of changes and similarities to the current policies and procedures? Camarilla experience. Relevant Non-Camarilla experience-this may include education, certification, professional experience. ================================================================== National Coordinator Job Description: The National Coordinator (NC) is the head of administration for the United States. A positive attitude, solid negotiating skills, and good communication skills are a must in this position. The National Coordinator is also responsible for managing the regional coordinators. Any member of the Camarilla USA may apply as a candidate in an election for National Coordinator, though candidates without coordinator experience on a regional or higher level may be removed at the discretion of the Club Director. The duties of the National Coordinator are to: . Communicate between the member of the Camarilla USA, the Camarilla Council and the Club Director. . Report monthly on the status of the Nation. . Coordinate with the National Conventions Administrator to choose sites for national events . Help members track their prestige, and to report that prestige to the organization . Help facilitate conflict resolution between members (see the section in this handbook on conflict resolution). . Provide leadership and guidance for the nation. . Create and maintain an identity for the nation. The NC also has authority to: . Award General (also called Open), Regional and National Prestige within the limits presented in the Prestige section. . Review prestige logs for all member class advancements and awards of MC 12-14. . Provide disciplinary action of national members, including suspensions of up to six months and stripping of up to four levels of member class. . Receive four loaned levels of member class while in office, up to MC 13. ---------------- Charles Bailey Camarilla Club Director US2002021542 AIM - charleseb9 ICQ - 17937548 Yahoo - wwolfar MSN - charlesb@white-wolf.com Suggestion Box http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/email/clubdirsugg.php From asmenoth1 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 12:21:48 2005 From: asmenoth1 at yahoo.com (Tim Moore) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:56:07 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] 10 years of ICC In-Reply-To: <20050921144752.0D38919CA7C@cammail.white-wolf.com> Message-ID: <20050921172340.117.qmail@web54515.mail.yahoo.com> Damn old age...ment to sent that privately...sorry. Tim Moore DC Dark Embrace US2002023525 9607-062 --- Club Director wrote: > Hey, old, moss-covered, long-in-the-tooth Cammie! > > Do you remember ICC ten years ago? > > You do? > > Really? > > Got some stories to share? > > How about nine years past? > Seven? Five? Two? Got stories about any of those? > > Epitaph wants to hear them. > Epitaph wants to publish them. > And of course, it's worth prestige! > > Write an article about ICCs in the past...from ICC > 2005 back to ICC 1995...and it can be worth up to 30 > National prestige. > > We want articles about past ICCs for the > currently-in-production of Epitaph, > which is celebrating "Endings and Beginnings". > > Please send them to me at shadowdwellr@yahoo.com > > Also, please feel free to send this request to any > and all local or regional > lists. I know some of you have super stories about > past ICCs. Let's hear > them. > > Now's the time to share! > > Chenaya Strutton > Editor: Epitaph > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Camarilla-announce mailing list > Camarilla-announce@cammail.white-wolf.com > http://cammail.white-wolf.com/mailman/listinfo/camarilla-announce > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From shaynecooley at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 16:16:34 2005 From: shaynecooley at gmail.com (Shayne Cooley) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:56:07 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] 10 years of ICC In-Reply-To: <20050922193040.31940.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> References: <005301c5bf5e$e7693530$0301a8c0@Invictus> <20050922193040.31940.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When counting years for anniversaries you have to remember to count the year you begin with. 1996 to 2006 is actually 11 years. 1996: year 1 1997: year 2 1998: year 3 1999: year 4 2000: year 5 2001: year 6 2002: year 7 2003: year 8 2004: year 9 2005: year 10 2006: year 11 Shayne Cooley DST CA-056-D US2002021450 On 9/22/05, Tim Moore wrote: > > I see...but wouldn't the 10th anniversary for ICC be > in 2006? Add 10 years to 1996...2006. Oh well, great > idea though. > > Tim Moore From cam.usnc at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 12:10:06 2005 From: cam.usnc at gmail.com (US National Coordinator) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:56:08 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] More comprehensive Information from the LRA In-Reply-To: <77e49d550509260952b693c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <77e49d5505092604406baacb71@mail.gmail.com> <77e49d550509260952b693c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: First allow me to extend my thanks to Charles Bailey for all his hard work not only with the Camarilla but as an unofficial advisor to the LRA in our fledgling stages. Charles will be missed very much and we wish him the best in any endeavor he takes. However the question bodes, what is next for the LRA? The answers are numerous but I'll cover some of them here. The LRA is in the process of going through a rapid growth spurt, which of course has lead to some new hiring and such, I would like to congratulate the following members on their newly found jobs. It takes a special brand of person to want to work at National or Global Levels of these organizations and I would like to take a moment and thank officers in both clubs who are doing so or have done so in the past. That being said. Congratulations to: Harold Hubert United States National Coordinator Rob Overmeyer United States Associate National Storyteller- Camarilla Matt Butler United States Associate National Storyteller- Sabbat Troy Jackson United States Associate National Storyteller- Garou These fine officers will be joining the LRA team, leaving several positions still open for our current membership and those coming into the organization. The following are still open within the LRA. United States National Storyteller- Approvals United States National Storyteller- Changeling Associate Global Storyteller- Camarilla Associate Global Storyteller- Mage Associate Global Storyteller- Wraith Associate Global Storyteller- Mortals All Regional Coordinator and Storyteller positions, The Above positions are open to all members of the LRA both new and old who wish to get in on developemental stages of this new and exciting organization. I have recieved roughly 200 e-mails this week asking me how you sign up for the LRA so that kept in mind here is the process once again for those who are interested in participating in the OWoD. Step 1: Secure a Camarilla Membership Number through the White Wolf Website. Step 2: Go to www.lra-rpg.com and fill out the form under Join the LRA. Step 3: Answer the confirmation E-mail from the Membership Services Department Step 4: Send your Camarilla Membership Class for Membership Level Conversion following the steps outlined in the confirmation e-mail. Now then here are a few Q and A things that were recently drawn up in a myth v. fact document regarding the LRA. Just to clear up some of those misconceptions for people. Myth: White Wolf owns the LRA. Fact: White Wolf does not own the LRA, we entered into a licencing agreement with White Wolf, instead of bartering back and forth what the license would cost us for the rights to use the material and getting into some large numbers both parties agree'd using the Cam Number for Members system was the lowest cost most fluid process for us. It allows us to present to the members of both organizations a more diverse group of games and meet the needs and desires of all members. Myth: The LRA and the Camarilla are competators and it's bad to be in both orgs. Fact: This is complete fabrication, we have looked at this very closely and to be honest the two organizations are not only complimentary but also allow both orgs to reach a larger audience through cooperative advertising and membership sharing the goal is to create a larger group of members in both organizations to role play and form lasting friendships with, if I remember that's why we started doing this in the first place. Myth: By having a camarilla number you automatically get an LRA membership. Fact: This one is only partial myth, the truth is your Camarilla number entitles you to join the LRA this is true, as a requirement to LRA membership you need to go to www.lra-rpg.com and fill out the membership form. Your application will be quickly processed and you will recieve a confirmation e-mail. Since the LRA uses different structures and rewards from the Camarilla this is done for tracking purposes and to generate LRA centric membership and communication lists. Character based Myths. Myth: I can play any character I want in the LRA even if it is the same concept as my old Camarilla Character. Fact: While this was origionally true, we have since taken a long look at this, and revised it to, you may portray any character concept including your old Camarilla one in all venues that are not currently running in the Camarilla under the OWoD. This means that you cannot portray the same concept in Changling and Mage at the current time. Myth: The LRA will be running the same stories as the Camarilla. Fact: This could not be further from the truth, the LRA is not only running different stories we're also looking at many possible changes to Cannon over the next 3 years. Understand the the basic premise as it comes to Cannon is that Cannon is not changing in the OWoD so therefore the LRA could not possibly run the same stories, our goal is to run new stories based on the actions of the players and to work towards allowing the players to dictate the direction and scope of the stories covered. Myth: The Camarilla Mage/Changeling venues and the LRA Mage/Changeling venues overlap. Fact: This is not true in any sense again the venues are separate and using information from the other organization is not only against teh rules but also against the spirit of the agreement between the orgainzations and the strucutres of the agreement. Myth: The LRA is not going to support hte entire World of Darkness. Fact: This is not true we are in the process of hiring AGST's for the Mage, Mortals and wraith venues. These should be up and running in teh next 3 months. Myth: the LRA is trying to run an elders based game. Fact: This is simply not true our creation rules do look this way at first glance, heck even I thought it, however the facts are we are seeing a non elders game rapidly forming which is representatvie of alot of the different ideas and such presented in the source materials. Yes Elders do exsist and yes anyone can play one with approval but it's interesting to see the reverse happening. Well those are the ones ican think of off the top of my head again any concerns questions or such please e-mail supercannuck@gmail.com. Finally, where has our game been going? The games in the LRA are in the growing stages this is to be expected, we are seeing some excellent roleplay and character developement, the story plods along as stories would. I would expect to see bigger developements in the coming months leading up to both January and March Convention based events, locations forthcoming. My thanks to all that made it through this rather lofty e-mail. -- Michael Lee Global Coordinator Live Action Roleplayers Association -- Michael Lee Global Coordinator Live Action Roleplayers Association -- Wes Contreras, US2002022038 US National Coordinator cam.usnc@gmail.com http://www.camarilla.us/ From clubdirector at white-wolf.com Sun Sep 4 07:12:03 2005 From: clubdirector at white-wolf.com (Club Director) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:59:50 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] All Call for US National Coordinator Message-ID: <20050904132248.QJSE1288.ibm59aec.bellsouth.net@camarilla> I would like to thank Wes Contreras for his two years of service to the Camarilla in the position of National Coordinator. Wes' tour is ending shortly, and so it is time to call for applicants for a new National Coordinator. Applications will be accepted from members wishing to be considered for the National Coordinator position between September 1st and 15th, 2005. All current United States members in good standing are eligible, however applicants are encouraged to have current or previous coordinator experience on the Regional or above level. Members wishing to submit an application for consideration should include the following information in an email to clubdirector@white-wolf.com: Name, Camarilla membership number, contact methods including address, e-mail, telephone, and whatever other means the applicant desires. Statement of purpose: What does the applicant want to accomplish while in office and how do they plan to execute that plan? Vision Statement: What would the applicant wish to do if he or she were in the office, both in terms of changes and similarities to the current policies and procedures? Camarilla experience. Relevant Non-Camarilla experience-this may include education, certification, professional experience. ================================================================== National Coordinator Job Description: The National Coordinator (NC) is the head of administration for the United States. A positive attitude, solid negotiating skills, and good communication skills are a must in this position. The National Coordinator is also responsible for managing the regional coordinators. Any member of the Camarilla USA may apply as a candidate in an election for National Coordinator, though candidates without coordinator experience on a regional or higher level may be removed at the discretion of the Club Director. The duties of the National Coordinator are to: . Communicate between the member of the Camarilla USA, the Camarilla Council and the Club Director. . Report monthly on the status of the Nation. . Coordinate with the National Conventions Administrator to choose sites for national events . Help members track their prestige, and to report that prestige to the organization . Help facilitate conflict resolution between members (see the section in this handbook on conflict resolution). . Provide leadership and guidance for the nation. . Create and maintain an identity for the nation. The NC also has authority to: . Award General (also called Open), Regional and National Prestige within the limits presented in the Prestige section. . Review prestige logs for all member class advancements and awards of MC 12-14. . Provide disciplinary action of national members, including suspensions of up to six months and stripping of up to four levels of member class. . Receive four loaned levels of member class while in office, up to MC 13. ---------------- Charles Bailey Camarilla Club Director US2002021542 AIM - charleseb9 ICQ - 17937548 Yahoo - wwolfar MSN - charlesb@white-wolf.com Suggestion Box http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/email/clubdirsugg.php From clubdirector at white-wolf.com Wed Sep 14 09:30:39 2005 From: clubdirector at white-wolf.com (clubdirector@white-wolf.com) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:59:50 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] All Call for US National Coordinator - Deadline for Applications September 26th Message-ID: <20050914143039.6D9CC17EC45@cammail.white-wolf.com> Reposted due to server malfunction with Deadline extended until September 26th. I would like to thank Wes Contreras for his two years of service to the Camarilla in the position of National Coordinator. Wes' tour is ending shortly, and so it is time to call for applicants for a new National Coordinator. Applications will be accepted from members wishing to be considered for the National Coordinator position between September 1st and 26th, 2005. All current United States members in good standing are eligible, however applicants are encouraged to have current or previous coordinator experience on the Regional or above level. Members wishing to submit an application for consideration should include the following information in an email to clubdirector@white-wolf.com: Name, Camarilla membership number, contact methods including address, e-mail, telephone, and whatever other means the applicant desires. Statement of purpose: What does the applicant want to accomplish while in office and how do they plan to execute that plan? Vision Statement: What would the applicant wish to do if he or she were in the office, both in terms of changes and similarities to the current policies and procedures? Camarilla experience. Relevant Non-Camarilla experience-this may include education, certification, professional experience. ================================================================== National Coordinator Job Description: The National Coordinator (NC) is the head of administration for the United States. A positive attitude, solid negotiating skills, and good communication skills are a must in this position. The National Coordinator is also responsible for managing the regional coordinators. Any member of the Camarilla USA may apply as a candidate in an election for National Coordinator, though candidates without coordinator experience on a regional or higher level may be removed at the discretion of the Club Director. The duties of the National Coordinator are to: . Communicate between the member of the Camarilla USA, the Camarilla Council and the Club Director. . Report monthly on the status of the Nation. . Coordinate with the National Conventions Administrator to choose sites for national events . Help members track their prestige, and to report that prestige to the organization . Help facilitate conflict resolution between members (see the section in this handbook on conflict resolution). . Provide leadership and guidance for the nation. . Create and maintain an identity for the nation. The NC also has authority to: . Award General (also called Open), Regional and National Prestige within the limits presented in the Prestige section. . Review prestige logs for all member class advancements and awards of MC 12-14. . Provide disciplinary action of national members, including suspensions of up to six months and stripping of up to four levels of member class. . Receive four loaned levels of member class while in office, up to MC 13. ---------------- Charles Bailey Camarilla Club Director US2002021542 AIM - charleseb9 ICQ - 17937548 Yahoo - wwolfar MSN - charlesb@white-wolf.com Suggestion Box http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/email/clubdirsugg.php From clubdirector at white-wolf.com Wed Sep 14 10:33:40 2005 From: clubdirector at white-wolf.com (Club Director) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:59:50 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] AAMST Settings: Awakening All Call Message-ID: <20050914153339.E254E17EE6E@cammail.white-wolf.com> At this time, I would like to put out a call for a new AAMST Settings: Awakening. AAMST Settings: Awakening - Facilitate development of the Awakening setting and Metaplot for the sanctioned chronicle. - Interface with National affiliates and White Wolf on Mage development and work with other MST Staff members on their integration in the chronicle. - Manage a team of assistants to provide venue support to the membership. An ideal candidate would be an easy going team player and have excellent command of the English language. They will also have excellent writing and plot development skills as well as solid management experience. Please send a complete resume (cam and real world), including a vision statement to Charles Rose at amst-charlie at deadletteroffice.org and Michelle Webb at greebotrill at gmail.com We will be accepting applications from now until September 28th. Charles M. Rose US2002021149 AMST Settings From clubdirector at white-wolf.com Wed Sep 14 12:45:58 2005 From: clubdirector at white-wolf.com (Club Director) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:59:51 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] All Call for US National Coordinator - Deadline for Applications September 26th Message-ID: <20050914174558.7815317EEC3@cammail.white-wolf.com> Reposted due to server malfunction with Deadline extended until September 26th. I would like to thank Wes Contreras for his two years of service to the Camarilla in the position of National Coordinator. Wes' tour is ending shortly, and so it is time to call for applicants for a new National Coordinator. Applications will be accepted from members wishing to be considered for the National Coordinator position between September 1st and 26th, 2005. All current United States members in good standing are eligible, however applicants are encouraged to have current or previous coordinator experience on the Regional or above level. Members wishing to submit an application for consideration should include the following information in an email to clubdirector@white-wolf.com: Name, Camarilla membership number, contact methods including address, e-mail, telephone, and whatever other means the applicant desires. Statement of purpose: What does the applicant want to accomplish while in office and how do they plan to execute that plan? Vision Statement: What would the applicant wish to do if he or she were in the office, both in terms of changes and similarities to the current policies and procedures? Camarilla experience. Relevant Non-Camarilla experience-this may include education, certification, professional experience. ================================================================== National Coordinator Job Description: The National Coordinator (NC) is the head of administration for the United States. A positive attitude, solid negotiating skills, and good communication skills are a must in this position. The National Coordinator is also responsible for managing the regional coordinators. Any member of the Camarilla USA may apply as a candidate in an election for National Coordinator, though candidates without coordinator experience on a regional or higher level may be removed at the discretion of the Club Director. The duties of the National Coordinator are to: . Communicate between the member of the Camarilla USA, the Camarilla Council and the Club Director. . Report monthly on the status of the Nation. . Coordinate with the National Conventions Administrator to choose sites for national events . Help members track their prestige, and to report that prestige to the organization . Help facilitate conflict resolution between members (see the section in this handbook on conflict resolution). . Provide leadership and guidance for the nation. . Create and maintain an identity for the nation. The NC also has authority to: . Award General (also called Open), Regional and National Prestige within the limits presented in the Prestige section. . Review prestige logs for all member class advancements and awards of MC 12-14. . Provide disciplinary action of national members, including suspensions of up to six months and stripping of up to four levels of member class. . Receive four loaned levels of member class while in office, up to MC 13. ---------------- Charles Bailey Camarilla Club Director US2002021542 AIM - charleseb9 ICQ - 17937548 Yahoo - wwolfar MSN - charlesb@white-wolf.com Suggestion Box http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/email/clubdirsugg.php From clubdirector at white-wolf.com Wed Sep 14 17:12:02 2005 From: clubdirector at white-wolf.com (Club Director) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:59:51 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] ICC Game Show Venue Volunteers needed! Message-ID: <20050914221202.2B07517F848@cammail.white-wolf.com> Members of the Camarilla - Last year we debuted the Game Show Venue at ICC and it was highly successful. Because of this, we are having it again this year and we need you to help make it work. I will need a handful of volunteers with certain qualifications to act as Game Show Assistants and Cam Notaries. Game Show Assistants - Must have neat handwriting!! Will be needed during Camarilla Feud to assist host D. Scott McQuiston. Camarilla Feud is scheduled for Saturday (opposite Mage). Cam Notaries - Cam Notaries will be liscenced to notarize Cam Marriage/Partnership Liscences. Notaries must be able to handle money for charity and have had no disciplinary actions in this area. Please include the name of your direct coordinator. Times will be throughout the daytime slots starting on Friday during Cam Court. If you have any questions or are interested in volunteering, please send me an email at zjazja@gmail.com. First come first serve, but if you miss out on this or are interested in volunteering for other things at ICC, please contact the Volunteer Lead, Matt Giezentaner at mattgie@gmail.com. -- Jenn Hutt US2002023825 OOC Programming Lead - ICC 2k5 From clubdirector at white-wolf.com Wed Sep 21 09:47:52 2005 From: clubdirector at white-wolf.com (Club Director) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:59:52 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] 10 years of ICC Message-ID: <20050921144752.0D38919CA7C@cammail.white-wolf.com> Hey, old, moss-covered, long-in-the-tooth Cammie! Do you remember ICC ten years ago? You do? Really? Got some stories to share? How about nine years past? Seven? Five? Two? Got stories about any of those? Epitaph wants to hear them. Epitaph wants to publish them. And of course, it's worth prestige! Write an article about ICCs in the past...from ICC 2005 back to ICC 1995...and it can be worth up to 30 National prestige. We want articles about past ICCs for the currently-in-production of Epitaph, which is celebrating "Endings and Beginnings". Please send them to me at shadowdwellr@yahoo.com Also, please feel free to send this request to any and all local or regional lists. I know some of you have super stories about past ICCs. Let's hear them. Now's the time to share! Chenaya Strutton Editor: Epitaph From asmenoth1 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 21 12:17:31 2005 From: asmenoth1 at yahoo.com (Tim Moore) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:59:52 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] 10 years of ICC In-Reply-To: <20050921144752.0D38919CA7C@cammail.white-wolf.com> Message-ID: <20050921171924.90618.qmail@web54511.mail.yahoo.com> Umm, not to be an ass, but I was at the first ICC...in 1996, in Houston. There wasn't one in 1995. :) Tim Moore DC Dark Embrace US2002023525 9607-062 --- Club Director wrote: > Hey, old, moss-covered, long-in-the-tooth Cammie! > > Do you remember ICC ten years ago? > > You do? > > Really? > > Got some stories to share? > > How about nine years past? > Seven? Five? Two? Got stories about any of those? > > Epitaph wants to hear them. > Epitaph wants to publish them. > And of course, it's worth prestige! > > Write an article about ICCs in the past...from ICC > 2005 back to ICC 1995...and it can be worth up to 30 > National prestige. > > We want articles about past ICCs for the > currently-in-production of Epitaph, > which is celebrating "Endings and Beginnings". > > Please send them to me at shadowdwellr@yahoo.com > > Also, please feel free to send this request to any > and all local or regional > lists. I know some of you have super stories about > past ICCs. Let's hear > them. > > Now's the time to share! > > Chenaya Strutton > Editor: Epitaph > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Camarilla-announce mailing list > Camarilla-announce@cammail.white-wolf.com > http://cammail.white-wolf.com/mailman/listinfo/camarilla-announce > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From caine at jyhad.net Thu Sep 22 05:16:10 2005 From: caine at jyhad.net (Clint Hauser) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:59:53 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] 10 years of ICC In-Reply-To: <20050921171924.90618.qmail@web54511.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005301c5bf5e$e7693530$0301a8c0@Invictus> > Umm, not to be an ass, but I was at the first ICC...in > 1996, in Houston. There wasn't one in 1995. :) > > Tim Moore > DC Dark Embrace > US2002023525 > 9607-062 > 1996 2001 1997 2002 1998 2003 1999 2004 2000 2005 Looks like 10 ICCs to me. -- Clint Hauser US2002021070 From cam.usnc at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 12:20:39 2005 From: cam.usnc at gmail.com (US National Coordinator) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:59:53 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] Charles Bailey In-Reply-To: <13828794bad5ee29beadb2d1e6b29c90@white-wolf.com> References: <13828794bad5ee29beadb2d1e6b29c90@white-wolf.com> Message-ID: All- I regret to announce that White Wolf and Charles Bailey have parted company. Charles had done a Herculean amount of work for us and the for the Camarilla over the years he has been club director, but we have reached a point where we no longer need a full-time employee in that position. The Camarilla -- after going through the hard transitions of the last few years -- no longer requires the amount of close oversight and leadership White Wolf has been providing. It's become clear that the closesupervision we have been using acts more as a break on member enthusiasm and creativity than anything else. Members rightly wish to feel that this is a club by the members and for the members, and getting there requires less oversight, not more. Charles continues to be a friend of us all here at White Wolf and of course a friend and valued member of the Camarilla proper. We part on good terms and Charles has kindly offered to serve as a resource for me and others. I will be taking over the official responsibilities of club director for the short term and I will be working with all of you to ensure as smooth a transition as possible. My hope is that we can work together to reach a new relationship between the White Wolf home office and the Camarilla, one in which White Wolf provides resources and assistance in delivering the best play experience to the members, rather than trying (at times wrong-headedly) to define just what that experience should be. I ask for your good faith and cooperation in getting through these changes. -- Philippe R. Boulle Marketing Director White Wolf Publishing, Inc. 1554 Litton Drive Stone Mountain, GA 30083 404-292-1819 x203 (vox); 678-382-3882 (fax) From cam.usnc at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 11:41:04 2005 From: cam.usnc at gmail.com (US National Coordinator) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:59:54 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] ICC 2005 Schedule and Events Webpage In-Reply-To: <433AA81D.1040408@neo.tamu.edu> References: <433AA81D.1040408@neo.tamu.edu> Message-ID: Hello Camarilla, First let me appologize for the lateness of this schedule. It should have been out quite a while ago but we have been having some issues with the Camarilla Servers as of late. Hence the ICC webpage has not been as up to date as it should have been. So let me appologize once again for the lateness of this schedule. I have take the liberty of copying the feel of the ICC webpage on a different server for the purpose of this webpage. The Schedule and Events webpage for ICC 2005. On it you will have the Graphical Schedule for ICC 2005 which will be updated as the events titles and times are updated. You will notice the date next to the PDF schedule file. This will tell you how updated the schedule is. With this file you should easily get the feel of what to expect time wise during the convention. I ask that you copy this message and post it on each of your Regional email listservs so that this is distributed quickly umongst the rank and file of the Camarilla. The website address is: http://ops.tamu.edu/kilroy/ICC/ Thanks for waiting, Ken Reinertson ICC Coordinator US2002022204 -- Ken Reinertson -- US2002022204 (9705-005) DST, Mod. of us-sc-d-bcs, ICC Chair Bryan/College Station, TX (TX-057-D) Domain of the Midnight Yell -or- The Nexus of Texas Email: kilroy (at) neo.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - -=<+@+>=- - - - - - - - - - - - From cam.usnc at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 12:41:41 2005 From: cam.usnc at gmail.com (US National Coordinator) Date: Thu Oct 13 20:59:54 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] All Call ICC 2005 Volunteers In-Reply-To: <5D1505BA919BA34DA97E93433AC0FB0903D47E49@usknausglvxmb13.us.pm.com> References: <5D1505BA919BA34DA97E93433AC0FB0903D47E49@usknausglvxmb13.us.pm.com> Message-ID: ****please forward to all OOC Lists**** Fellow Members of the Camarilla, Very few great endeavors are accomplished without the efforts of many. This year, being the first year of the requiem chronicle, White-Wolf and the ICC team want this year to stand out in fan club history. But it is going to take a lot of work. Nobody likes to wait for his or her favorite venue when it doesn't start on time. Nobody wants to come in after driving 300+ miles to a long registration line. To make sure all the wheels turn at a fast pace we need a commitment to manpower. With that in mind we are recruiting for the following volunteer positions for ICC 2005. Auction Runner- Duties may include help with the auctioneering process, Barker items, passing donated items around for bidders to see and some minor paperwork. Charity Booth- Duties will include signing in items for the auctions, delivering candygrams/flowergrams to rooms, promoting items for auction and raffle, selling raffle tickets, and receiving monetary donations to supported charities Closing Ceremonies Staff- Responsibilities include manning pre registration tables for upcoming events, assisting in last minute running duties, helping to pack up IC and OC registration tables and any materials left behind. Concierge- Responsibilities include manning the Information desk, delivering memos to staff, and acting as a central point of contact for the membership for room schedule changes as they arise. Grounds keeping Staff- Duties include, reporting potential security issues to Security representatives, assist in straightening tables and chairs after each room use, turning in lost/found items, picking up random trash or report potential facilities issues to the appropriate representative. The duties of this position can be fulfilled while role-playing so there is no need to miss your favorite venue. Hospitality-Duties may include assisting in Food and Beverage preparation and monitoring the room to ensure it's maintained in a clean condition and that its occupants remain awake at all times. IC Check In- Duties include checking in all character sheets. Applicants are required to have ST or Character Audit experience, as well as a thorough ST knowledge of multiple venues and approval levels. Jail and Bail- Contact the Charity Lead for Job description. ric@ricbyme.com OOC Check In - Duties include checking in all of our members into the convention. This may entail some cash handling, sorting, and data entry work. Good customer service skills are required. Photo Team - Duties include capturing the memories of the event on film during event hours. Security- Applicants are required to adhere to the code of conduct and remain sober during their shift while they monitor posts and activity as directed by the Security Lead. Vendors- Duties include running small errands for vendors, watching tables during vendor's absence, and minor clean up as required. Venue Preparation Assistant - Duties Setup and room preparation for various venues as designated by the Production Manager. You can apply for these positions at the following website until the main form is working again. http://www.thedarkaria.com/volunteerform.htm If you are unwilling to work during a particular venue please note this and you will not be scheduled during that event. If you have any questions please include them in the comments. You can also volunteer to story tell or narrate during ICC. Please submit your application to the Venue Lead for the venue(s) you want to work in -- Silja (siljam@gmail.com) for Requiem, Wendy (media@cypher.every1.net) for Mortals, Chuck (chuck.childers@comcast.net) for Forsaken, Jessi (mierandra@gmail.com) for Mage and Ifer (aamst.dreaming@gmail.com) for Changeling. -- Matt Giezentaner US2002021367 ICC2005 Volunteer Coordinator -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Invictus-ooc mailing list Invictus-ooc@cammail.white-wolf.com http://cammail.white-wolf.com/mailman/listinfo/invictus-ooc From clubdirector at white-wolf.com Tue Sep 6 22:11:58 2005 From: clubdirector at white-wolf.com (Club Director) Date: Fri Oct 14 11:29:53 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] Extension of deadline for US National Coordinator Applications Message-ID: <20050906021034.MHT27902.ibm68aec.bellsouth.net@camarilla> Due to the All Call for National Coordinator applications not reaching the membership until September 4th, I am extending the deadline for applications until September 21st. ---------------- Charles Bailey Camarilla Club Director US2002021542 AIM - charleseb9 ICQ - 17937548 Yahoo - wwolfar MSN - charlesb@white-wolf.com Suggestion Box http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/email/clubdirsugg.php From clubdirector at white-wolf.com Wed Sep 14 10:34:30 2005 From: clubdirector at white-wolf.com (Club Director) Date: Fri Oct 14 11:29:53 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] AAMST Settings: Global Independent Regions Message-ID: <20050914153430.14C7917EEC4@cammail.white-wolf.com> I would like to thank everyone that submitted applications for the position of AAMST Settings: GIR. It was a challenging decision, especially considering the experience and talent to choose from, but I am pleased to announce that I have made my final decision. Please welcome Dawn Lloyd to the role of AAMST Settings: GIR! She assumes responsibility over this area immediately and can be reached at dawn_lloyd@juno.com Thanks, Charles Rose US2002021149 AMST Settings From clubdirector at white-wolf.com Wed Sep 14 10:47:37 2005 From: clubdirector at white-wolf.com (clubdirector@white-wolf.com) Date: Fri Oct 14 11:29:53 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] All Call for US National Coordinator - Deadline for Applications September 26th Message-ID: <20050914154736.DE14B12E01C@cammail.white-wolf.com> Reposted due to server malfunction with Deadline extended until September 26th. I would like to thank Wes Contreras for his two years of service to the Camarilla in the position of National Coordinator. Wes' tour is ending shortly, and so it is time to call for applicants for a new National Coordinator. Applications will be accepted from members wishing to be considered for the National Coordinator position between September 1st and 26th, 2005. All current United States members in good standing are eligible, however applicants are encouraged to have current or previous coordinator experience on the Regional or above level. Members wishing to submit an application for consideration should include the following information in an email to clubdirector@white-wolf.com: Name, Camarilla membership number, contact methods including address, e-mail, telephone, and whatever other means the applicant desires. Statement of purpose: What does the applicant want to accomplish while in office and how do they plan to execute that plan? Vision Statement: What would the applicant wish to do if he or she were in the office, both in terms of changes and similarities to the current policies and procedures? Camarilla experience. Relevant Non-Camarilla experience-this may include education, certification, professional experience. ================================================================== National Coordinator Job Description: The National Coordinator (NC) is the head of administration for the United States. A positive attitude, solid negotiating skills, and good communication skills are a must in this position. The National Coordinator is also responsible for managing the regional coordinators. Any member of the Camarilla USA may apply as a candidate in an election for National Coordinator, though candidates without coordinator experience on a regional or higher level may be removed at the discretion of the Club Director. The duties of the National Coordinator are to: . Communicate between the member of the Camarilla USA, the Camarilla Council and the Club Director. . Report monthly on the status of the Nation. . Coordinate with the National Conventions Administrator to choose sites for national events . Help members track their prestige, and to report that prestige to the organization . Help facilitate conflict resolution between members (see the section in this handbook on conflict resolution). . Provide leadership and guidance for the nation. . Create and maintain an identity for the nation. The NC also has authority to: . Award General (also called Open), Regional and National Prestige within the limits presented in the Prestige section. . Review prestige logs for all member class advancements and awards of MC 12-14. . Provide disciplinary action of national members, including suspensions of up to six months and stripping of up to four levels of member class. . Receive four loaned levels of member class while in office, up to MC 13. ---------------- Charles Bailey Camarilla Club Director US2002021542 AIM - charleseb9 ICQ - 17937548 Yahoo - wwolfar MSN - charlesb@white-wolf.com Suggestion Box http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/email/clubdirsugg.php From clubdirector at white-wolf.com Wed Sep 14 12:24:17 2005 From: clubdirector at white-wolf.com (Club Director) Date: Fri Oct 14 11:29:54 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] Announcing the LRA Message-ID: <20050914172416.D5B3017EEC5@cammail.white-wolf.com> Ladies and Gentlemen, It is my great pleasure to announce that White Wolf and the Live Action Roleplaying association have entered into a contract similar to the one presented in the Pay for Play policies outlined previously. As such as a bonus to the existing benefits your Camarilla Membership gives you now have the option of joining a second organization at no additional charge to you the member. The LRA does not currently run any games in the Requiem Setting but rather we are supporting the OWoD. The LRA currently supports the following venues: 1) Camarilla (which includes Anarchs and Independants) 2) Sabbat 3) Garou 4) Changeling. The LRA also supports both online and organized local play, and supports a structure from Local to Global. The website for the organization and the sign up sheet for the club are located at www.lra-rpg.com. The mIRC support for the club is on the Darkmyst server at the room, #the_haven. Below you will find a brief FAQ for the LRA/Camarilla Relationship. Is the LRA part of the Camarilla and supported by it's structure? No the LRA is not essentially part of the Camarilla it is a Troupe Affiliate there of and operates under it's own structure Board and guidance. The LRA is an organization designed to compliment the Camarilla by running the older material instead of the current stuff. We fully encourage our membership to join Camarilla chapters and enjoy Requiem. Do LRA Members need to join Camarilla Chapters and do Camarilla members need to join LRA Charters? No you are only required to join the structural levels of the organizations you wish to participate in. Therefore Camarilla members do not HAVE to be part of the LRA charters and LRA members do not HAVE to be part of the Camarilla. Do I get credit for my MC in the LRA? You do get credit your membership Class is converted to the LRA Membership Levels, by sending your Membership Class to supercannuck@yahoo.com, you will receive a confirmation e-mail back at that point. What rules apply when I am at an LRA event/Camarilla Event? You use the Membership Handbook of the organization who's event you are at. Example at an LRA event you follow the LRA membership handbook, while in the Camarilla you follow the Camarilla Membership Handbook. Also please make sure you read the Rules addendum posted on the LRA Website as they differ from the old Camarilla Addendums. Can I play my old Camarilla Characters in the LRA? Yes and no. You can play the concept you played before but all characters start from the beginning this is a new story and a new beginning for an older system. -- Michael Lee Global Coordinator Live Action Roleplayers Association ---------------- Charles Bailey Camarilla Club Director US2002021542 AIM - charleseb9 ICQ - 17937548 Yahoo - wwolfar MSN - charlesb@white-wolf.com Suggestion Box http://camarilla.white-wolf.com/email/clubdirsugg.php From asmenoth1 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 22 14:28:46 2005 From: asmenoth1 at yahoo.com (Tim Moore) Date: Fri Oct 14 11:29:55 2005 Subject: [Camarilla-announce] 10 years of ICC In-Reply-To: <005301c5bf5e$e7693530$0301a8c0@Invictus> Message-ID: <20050922193040.31940.qmail@web54505.mail.yahoo.com> I see...but wouldn't the 10th anniversary for ICC be in 2006? Add 10 years to 1996...2006. Oh well, great idea though. Tim Moore DC Dark Embrace US2002023525 9607-062 --- Clint Hauser wrote: > > Umm, not to be an ass, but I was at the first > ICC...in > > 1996, in Houston. There wasn't one in 1995. :) > > > > Tim Moore > > DC Dark Embrace > > US2002023525 > > 9607-062 > > > 1996 2001 > 1997 2002 > 1998 2003 > 1999 2004 > 2000 2005 > > Looks like 10 ICCs to me. > > -- > Clint Hauser > US2002021070 > > _______________________________________________ > Camarilla-announce mailing list > Camarilla-announce@cammail.white-wolf.com > http://cammail.white-wolf.com/mailman/listinfo/camarilla-announce > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com